2016 LR4 Original Owner. 75k. Thinking about selling, but not sure of alternative rides that can do everything this does.

[BigBriDogGuy]

Couple months back I was at a kids' birthday party and one of the fathers attending had a Rivian. We started talking and then he gave me the full tour. It was nice. And that's coming from a guy that isn't a big EV fan. I could see owning one once the bugs get worked out.

 

[machmike]

Grenadier, Defender, and Rivian R1T/S if you want to try something electric.

I’m not a Toyota/Lexus fan. Jeeps aren’t refined, Bronco can’t tow like you said…

I kept my LR4 but my R1T is my favorite vehicle right now. It’s incredibly capable off road, comfortable, and has a ton of tech which I enjoy. Towing however, is a lost cause if you need to tow more than 150 miles.

I have a Ford Mach E. I'm waiting until an EV based truck can get at least 250 miles with a trailer. I do really like the Rivians.

 

[iSurfvilano]

Grenadier is appealing. But I love this lady...

 

[machmike]

I want to keep my 2013 LR4 HSE LUX HD (currently 99k miles) as long as I can, but because I am a car nerd I also still look at other cars. My current replace list, if I had to, is.

1. Defender 130. Not my favorite, but the 110 isn't long enough to sleep in the back like my LR4. I almost think I would just keep a 110 as a street rig.. they look so sweet just driving around, especially blacked out.
2. Lexus GX550. I think they have a lot of L319 DNA in them, but they also lack a lot practicality. I don't think they are long enough for me to sleep in the back, but i haven't verified that yet. The tailgates on all these are **** compared to an LR4.
3. INEOS Grenadier. Meh... seen a few in person. They seem less capable offroad than an LR4. They have good character unlike the toyota, but they are small inside also. Nothing quite has the dimensions or seating position/windows as an LR4.
4. and last, I just have "a truck" as my option. Go with some kinda of overland camper setup on the back. I don't really want a truck, i like SUVs... and campers are expensive, heavy and awkward, but really nice to live out of.

Nothing quite checks the boxes the same though, its a real struggle.

I drove 4 Grenadiers today various trims with different wheel/tire combinations. They are just as capable as the LR4 off-road. They are smaller inside for sure. A little more road noise. Steering feels like a Jeep and a 73 Bronco right turns cause a bit of over-steer, the car wanders a bit on the road like a truck from the 60s. Backup camera is so useless it shouldn't even be on the truck. They have better power options. Not quite as ready to tow. Much less to break...Much less. No lumbar support. They need a software update to fix a few annoyances. They are probably about 10k over priced. I would trust the engine/transmission combo more than what we have in the LR4. Seats are great. Recarro. The cloth versions I liked much better. Visibility is a tad better. No option for a VISION Package like my LR4 has. I liked them much more than the new Defenders.

 

[itsaguything]

@machmike , I did not purchase new. But I did have the neglected, fixed. And since that time, mine too has been dependable and so enjoyable…. I’m keeping it as long as I can.

I have looked about for alternatives but I do prefer the LR4.
Simple, robust, luxurious and practical, all in one package.

 

[f1racer328]

I have a Ford Mach E. I'm waiting until an EV based truck can get at least 250 miles with a trailer. I do really like the Rivians.

What kind of trailer? My R1T gets about 1.1 - 1.5 mile per kWh while towing (It's mostly drag dependent, so based on speed. Call it 45 mph to 80 mph) a 6x12 box trailer.

130 kWh usable battery gives you about 140-195 miles on the Rivian, and this is my less efficient build (quad motor, 34" all terrain tires)

So the dual motor street tires can probably do that.

BUUT the Silverado EV will actually tow very far with a trailer.

 

[machmike]

4200 Lbs. 21 feet long about 9' tall. I'm in Colorado. So trips are usually up hill for about 2-5 hours. Generally no power at campsites. The land Rover handles it fine. No chargers along most of the routes. Being an EV owner I'm always looking. I think we are about 6 years away from the trailers supplementing the EVs with extra range+The EVs getting more distance.


The R1S in reality is not too far off the LR4 for range when towing (I drop from 17mpg to about 4-9mpg when towing up a hill). There just aren't any locations where a trailer+EV could charge. Its brutal enough to get an ICE into some of the gas stations as it is. I carry 2x Jerry Cans.


Unfortunately a truck doesn't suit my family and dogs. I had a 2015 Tundra extended cap ans sold it within a year for the LR4. That truck sucked for many reasons including the horrible ride and back-aches. Never going to own a truck again. They aren't great for family.

 

[machmike]

@machmike , I did not purchase new. But I did have the neglected, fixed. And since that time, mine too has been dependable and so enjoyable…. I’m keeping it as long as I can.

I have looked about for alternatives but I do prefer the LR4.
Simple, robust, luxurious and practical, all in one package.

Its crazy how few options exist right? I love my LR4. I have fear it will break horribly in the next few years, but also fear I will miss it if I sell it. Are Land Rovers like being in an abusive relationship?

 

[scapistron]

Someone in town has a white gx550, I can't wait to buy it in 8 years.

 

[callin]

I'm thinking about selling. Not too many issues. I just had a bank 2 error for my cat, but it was just a leak in my exhaust. I love this truck. I regularly tow 6k with it, overland, and 4x in Moab and Ouray. Its amazing in all conditions. Looks as good as the day I purchased it. NO back fatigue after long hard drives, I get 17mpg with my 18" Nitto Grapplers and my roof rack loaded. Regularly haul Family of 4 and a giant do with a 5k trailer in tow. Its been really great. Not really a typical LR story.


This is about the time when these cars start to **** the bed sometime in the next 25k from what I understand. The recent engine light kind of started me thinking.. maybe its time to start looking around.


Other than another LR there are just so few options for doing these activities. The Bronco can't tow for ****. Toyota..I'd have to find a used Land Cruiser. However, I get back aches in every Toyota I have owned in the past. I sold my Tundra after a year because it sucked on the road very bouncy on pavement seams. Very uncomfortable truck, not comfortable and it also really didn't work well for the entire family once they got bigger than the extended cab could handle.


I'm considering a Grenadier or another newer Defender. What other non-land yachts are there that can do what my LR4 does? I want a 4x4 not AWD. I use these how they are meant to be used. Overlanding, adventuring, hauling. True off-road adventuring 3x per year. Getting another LR kind of makes me feel like i'm tempting fate with reliability. For some reason I've been lucky with mine.
I'd hate to part with it and then be miserable with something else. I do not enjoy self hate for poor decision making.

Give me some options or experiences

what about the new discoveries? Have you considered one of those?