New Tires to replace Cooper Zeon

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BigBriDogGuy

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I am running 19" Goodyear Wrangler DuraTracs on my 2011 LR4. Went up to Mt. Baker, WA to take my daughter sledding on Christmas day. The road up featured hairpin turns and switchbacks with steep inclines covered in poorly ploughed roads. The snow was packed powder with a bit of sand mixed in. We made it okay, but I had to be on top of my game the whole time. My sense is the LR4 is heavy and tall so it can't take corners at any speed under those conditions. The slightest momentum into the turn and its center of gravity tends to want to keep moving forward and slide you into the ditch. It's just physics. So you have to crawl around hairpin turns and then climb those steep inclines with little momentum. Once again, the vehicle is heavy and it feels like it might want to bog down or stall without the momentum to keep it going up the incline.

The answer to all of this was maintaining a slow, but steady, pace. Slow enough to not slide through the corners, but fast enough to have a bit of momentum heading up the steep hills. The other thing I noticed is that the LR4 felt a lot more grounded and in control if the drivetrain was pulling it forward rather than it rolling freely and braking, even at slow speeds. I'd feel a lot more confident if I could come to a dead stop on one of those inclines and the 4-wheel drive would kick in and pull me up it rather than spinning my wheels uselessly or even sliding back down the hill. I don't know what it would do under those conditions and I'm not willing to find out. I just kept it moving and hoped for the best.

Don't mean to knock my own ride, I just wonder if the height and weight are limiting factors when it comes to driving in certain demanding snowy conditions. To me, it feels a little bit like those Canadian curling shows I sometimes saw growing up. The stone would slide across the ice and the players could guide it with their brooms, but its weight and forward momentum were controlling. You could guide it, but not stop it, until it ran out of steam.
 

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I'm also on 20s and have been looking at tyres to replace my Nitto Terra Graplers (which are a terrible tyre - hopeless in the wet on the highway (almost dangerous) and utterly hopeless in snow. In fairness I have not used them off road). I have done a lot of research and decided on Continental Terrain Contact. I've had Conti winter tyres in the past on the Disco 3 and they were utterly superb comparied to the ones I have now. This vidoe was helpful (plus it confirmed my view that the Nittos are crap).
I concur with these findings. Roll in the price points into the equation along with my driving preferences (drove everything available in the military for 12 years, in all the weather and climates and drove ralley and slalom for a few years), I find the Pirelli Scorpion A/Ts very friendly… but not as my winter tires. Michelin Cross climates are fine but in my neck of the woods and with the places I go, inadequate.
I recently educated a friend to ditch his LT spec’d tires are they were the root cause of his ride quality complaints. It was a hard sell but he finally understood and confirmed it in the end.
 

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I have done a lot of research and decided on Continental Terrain Contact. I've had Conti winter tyres in the past on the Disco 3 and they were utterly superb comparied to the ones I have now. This vidoe was helpful (plus it confirmed my view that the Nittos are crap).
Big fan of the Conti Terrain Contacts. I’m on my 2nd set and got close to 60K miles from the first ones. Almost exclusively on roads now, but I’ve had good success with mild off-roading (mud, fire trails, loose rock, sand, snow, stream crossings). Good performers and good looking on the LR4, too.
 

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I'm also on 20s and have been looking at tyres to replace my Nitto Terra Graplers (which are a terrible tyre - hopeless in the wet on the highway (almost dangerous) and utterly hopeless in snow. In fairness I have not used them off road). I have done a lot of research and decided on Continental Terrain Contact. I've had Conti winter tyres in the past on the Disco 3 and they were utterly superb comparied to the ones I have now. This vidoe was helpful (plus it confirmed my view that the Nittos are crap).
Where do you live?

I say this BC I’ve run several sets of Terra Grappler G2’s on various 4x4’s in Houston’s torrential downpours & the occasional hurricane and they’ve been stellar on the highway in heavy rain. Much better than any Michelin I’ve owned.
 

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count me in as another vote for the michelin cross climates. fantastic. had LTX premiers on it prior and they rode nicely but wore out in less than 15k miles. The cross climates are great on the highway and really good in rain, snow, ice etc...
 

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The Cooper Discoverer Road+Trail AT (replacement for the Discoverer AT3 4S) might be worth a look as well for a similar application as the Cooper Zeon. Much like the Terrain Contact, but a little bit more off-road ish. Also believe they somehow put silica into the tread compound for enhanced winter traction. I have the AT3 myself and have been satisfied, but may look to this one in the future.
 

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