When is it time to say goodbye?

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BigBriDogGuy

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Understood. It's related to the extent that these could be characterized as examples of government over-reach that extend to the use of gas powered vehicles. For instance, in my state (Washington) they are banning the sale of gas powered vehicles by 2035. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...-gas-powered-cars-by-2035-following-cas-lead/ Won't touch on it again. Just wanted to let you know I wasn't intentionally attempting to take the conversation off-topic. My initial post was about the gas powered LR4 being my last vehicle in light of the ban.
 
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Put me in the "it owes me nothing" camp. But, what will likely keep me with the old girl for life is the cost of replacing her with anything remotely similar or capable.

A non-IBF defender is easily $70-$100K, a triple locked Rubicon is $65-$70K and those costs are before I modify anything to suit my needs. Compared against that, $15Kish to re-engine or $8kish to re-transmission my triple locked Rover with sunk modification costs of $12K-$16K starts to look pretty palatable. Admittedly, I might be different than most as my Rover in not a daily driver, but rather a dedicated camping, hunting, off-roading vehicle. At some point, engines, transmissions, differentials, etc are consumable items. The frame and chassis, not so much. Think Cuba. There are still 1950's American cars running around down there with all sorts of frankensteined mods to keep them on the road.
Well said and I totally agree! I'd be okay with a Defender V8 but it's $120k and I like my lr4's cargo space and styling way better anyway.
 

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I've been reading along this entire thread as I am also wondering if i should just hang onto mine until she becomes too much of a maintenance/ cost burden. My 2011 LR4 (104k miles) is my daily driver and all around utility vehicle for me. Like what everyone else is saying, nothing else out there matches her exterior styling, handling, driver visibility, and cargo space. It has just enough tech that I can bluetooth my phone and listen to music without every interior surface being a damn touch screen. I drove a new Defender and was underwhelmed.

Over the years, I've had all the usual LR4 engine bits repaired/ replaced and she's running great. Probably another 100k, I'm hoping? I have a long standing deposit on a Grenadier but would definitely need to drive that thing before I make any major decisions. I mean, cost is certainly a factor. Grenaders are gonna run like $90k here in the states, right? How much would a rebuilt LR4 engine cost?
 

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I also have a deposit on a Grenadier (and a rivian r1s). Got to sit in a grenadier last fall (early prototype) and I'm supposedly getting a test drive next month. I expect it to be great off road but I'm skeptical that it will have a comparable on road driving experience to the lr. I just love the amazing combination of ruggedness and luxury of the lr!
 

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I've been reading along this entire thread as I am also wondering if i should just hang onto mine until she becomes too much of a maintenance/ cost burden. My 2011 LR4 (104k miles) is my daily driver and all around utility vehicle for me. Like what everyone else is saying, nothing else out there matches her exterior styling, handling, driver visibility, and cargo space. It has just enough tech that I can bluetooth my phone and listen to music without every interior surface being a damn touch screen. I drove a new Defender and was underwhelmed.

Over the years, I've had all the usual LR4 engine bits repaired/ replaced and she's running great. Probably another 100k, I'm hoping? I have a long standing deposit on a Grenadier but would definitely need to drive that thing before I make any major decisions. I mean, cost is certainly a factor. Grenaders are gonna run like $90k here in the states, right? How much would a rebuilt LR4 engine cost?


$16k plus transportation and install.
 

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I guess it depends on your use. I have an 08 LR3 that I bought with 122k miles. I now have 145k miles. I've only paid to replace a ball joint and the power steering rack. I've replaced all of the following myself: ride height sensors, 3 of the 4 airbags, rebuilt the front valve block, tires, wipers, oil several times, turn signal bulb, rear brake bulbs, side steps with rock rails, OEM wheels for defender wheels. I am now working on replacing the front wheel hub assemblies and one of the ball joints as well. These items I have replaced or repaired are all wear and tear items and I'm no mechanic. In my opinion people just like to complain that surprise surprise, they need to do maintenance on their vehicles.

I've used the LR3 for towing my camper and have taken it on multiple 9 hour plus road trips. At this point I do not see a vehicle that can replace this one given everything that it can do. 7 full size seats? I don't think any vehicles besides minivans have full size 3rd row seats. A reliable naturally aspirated V8 engine? Every SUV is a hybrid or turbo powered v6 now unless you go for the new defender and I have what it has without the power of course but it's also $100k less. Air suspension that can change to accommodate your towing needs or rock crawling adventures, captain's view, comfortable seats, perfectly flat fold down seats for an air mattress to camp. I mean it's got it all. It puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.

As for the LR4, I think the problem with the engine is caused by the lack of frequent oil changes. That timing chain is affected by the oil and if I recall correctly, LR stated in their manual that oil changes could be done at the 15k mark which is insane to me. Change your oil at the 3k mark, is it dark or light? Dark is the answer. It's sad to see many people throw away the LR4 due to the lack of proper oil changes.
 

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This is really stupid but my front seat heat died and I think it's in the seat. These are the kind of little things that have me thinking about something new but I don't want to do it.

Oil change interval discrepancy of reality vs the manual should be class action suit, for sure.
 

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This is really stupid but my front seat heat died and I think it's in the seat. These are the kind of little things that have me thinking about something new but I don't want to do it.

Oil change interval discrepancy of reality vs the manual should be class action suit, for sure.
Hmmm, a heating device failed... never heard of that. ;-)
And there was a notice issued and available through the dealer network on the changes to the maintenance schedule.
 

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This is really stupid but my front seat heat died and I think it's in the seat. These are the kind of little things that have me thinking about something new but I don't want to do it.

Oil change interval discrepancy of reality vs the manual should be class action suit, for sure.

Yeah, I agree. It’s the little things like this that come up that annoy me and want to pull the trigger on a newer Defender or RR. But then I scroll through eBay for parts and realize how cheap these annoyances can be fixed. Keep in mind some of our LR4s are at 15yrs old.

My rear camera and front/rear PDC has intermittently stopped working, but the GAP error message has me thinking it’s a ground with the unit.

FWIW, you can get 2 LR4 seats for around $600 on eBay or just the lower seat cushion (heated) for $180.
 

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