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GMTIIFAN
01-11-2009, 12:05 AM
I have 05 SE7 that's been having suspension issues/faults for quite a long time and the dealer can't seem to fix it. I'll have it back a day or so and the faults will start again. Can anyone recommend a place where I can get a conversion kit like what is available for the RR? My warranty expired in November (the dealer is covering it since it hasn't been fixed) but if I continue having these issues later, the dealer will cost me a fortune. thanks in advance!

nwoods
01-11-2009, 12:43 AM
Sorry. Doesn't exist yet.

phurley
01-12-2009, 01:57 AM
Can you be more specific about what suspension faults are being reported? Is it the amber suspension fault or red? What was going on when the last fault happened - raining? cold? etc.

How long has this been happening and how many times have you taken it to be fixed for suspension-related faults that the dealer has "fixed" (but not)? Doesn't seem right - maybe a call to LR CS will get things better addressed.

Randall
01-12-2009, 02:29 AM
My LR3's in the shop right now for a amber suspension fault which ended up being multiple major components of the air suspension but fortunately i'm still under warranty.

Noah

GMTIIFAN
01-13-2009, 09:12 PM
Hi phurley

The faults have been different things based on the work orders. It first started as random faults, but after experiencing this for a while, the system began to air down and then within a few minutes it would air back up. Going down the hwy, the front would lower, then the back and after a mile or so it would air back up. I then started experiencing sudden drops from the front or back then sometimes one corner or another as if I had hydraulics. After several months of these issues and having it worked on repeatedly, it began dropping to the bump stops and I'd have to manually raise it, but soon after that it wouldn't work and I'd have to let it sit a while before it would air up. The last time I had it back 24 hrs. and the fault said standard (perhaps normal height) only and not to exceed 30 miles an hour. This was the first time I'd gotten this type of fault (and it happened every time I cranked it) so it went straight back to the dealer. Each time it seems the system is getting worse. My service rep is great and thankfully the dealer gives me a loaner, but I'd like to find a conversion so that I don't have these issues down the road when it's not under warranty.

phurley
01-14-2009, 01:03 AM
I would definitely call Land Rover NA Customer Service (PM me if you need the number) and explain the situation. Explain that the vehicle has been in x times for the same problem - ie, air suspension dangerously unpredictable, raises and lowers while driving, drops to bump stops, etc. - and that your dealer has been unable to fix it after n visits over d months. Be reasonable but firm. Maybe you're willing to take it to a different dealer - once. Or maybe if they arrange for LR technicians to troubleshoot the vehicle. If neither of those options works for you, maybe you offer to exchange your vehicle which they haven't been able to fix for a replacement vehicle that doesn't have these problems.

To you (and maybe to the dealer's technicians :confused:), the air suspension system is a complex black box, but it is repairable by qualified people. It's not even close to the Hubble and look how often that gets fixed. :eek:

Having a friendly dealer is not the same as having a competent dealer...

BTW, I love my LR3 but I can't see owning it outside of warranty. You know how much a transmission runs? :frown:

Randall
01-16-2009, 06:22 PM
my dad had a 07 range rover supercharged(i think it was before they redesigned the interior) that they bought back from him because of a critical engine failure and he got a brand new 08(or 07) for just the difference in original MSRP but they also had it for a while and might of even shipped it off to land rover to figure it out. so i would definitely try to get a buy back land rover can be surprisingly reasonable when it comes to these things.

Noah

strutmastr
05-07-2009, 11:53 AM
Air suspension can be very costly, especially since it is never truly fixed. I would recommend going to strutmasters.com and taking a look at our conversion kits. This converts you from air to powder coated American made steel coil springs that are guaranteed to last the life of the car. This is a permanent fix. Our kits also come with a life time warranty so you never have to worry about paying another dime for the suspension. I posted the link below so you can take a look.

http://www.strutmasters.com/land-rover-suspension-parts-s/21.htm

Hopefully this will be of some help to you.

Good Luck!!!

Brent

nwoods
05-07-2009, 01:10 PM
I would recommend going to strutmasters.com and taking a look at our conversion kits.

Brent, we've looked many times, but you do not appear to offer a kit for the Discovery III/LR3, and we know from practicle experience that the ECU limits our options for replacement set-ups. Have you figured out an ECU bypass that would allow spring conversion?

USAFbuckeye
05-07-2009, 10:05 PM
BTW, I love my LR3 but I can't see owning it outside of warranty. You know how much a transmission runs? :frown:

Only about $100 + tax if you have the Ford ESP:proud:

morrisdl
05-08-2009, 08:21 AM
Im sure ESP costs less than a transmission too. Its on my todo list. Where did that thread go...

roverman
05-08-2009, 11:04 AM
It went up to the search button where there's a box with "Ford ESP" typed into it.

antichrist
05-08-2009, 11:51 AM
I don't know what the overall difference is, but the LR3's were available ROW with coil springs, and rumor has it some were even sold in the US. Might ask the dealer, or LRNA, about just converting yours to the coiler version.

Houm_WA
05-08-2009, 12:02 PM
Not sure what the acronym ROW stands for; please advise.

I think a coiler version would be pretty sweet (for reliability) but there are a few things to address:

1. Ground clearance. Would the LR3 permanently be at Off-road Height?
2. Cross-linking. The ills of indi suspension would come to bear without those cross-link valves that help the LR3 maintain clearance in cross-axle situations.
3. Articulation. I believe that current LR3 coilers do not have the same wheel travel as those with the EAS. If I remember right our own Nathan Woods showed a photo of his rig going over a stretch of terrain and then a "normal" LR3 doing so.

I'd sort of miss my 12.5" - 14.5" of ground clearance (rod mod, Offroad height and extended height, respectively) that I enjoy with the EAS currently, but I agree that it would be more of a trouble-free system.

antichrist
05-08-2009, 12:33 PM
ROW = (R)est (O)f (W)orld

nwoods
05-08-2009, 09:21 PM
Yes, I have a NAS spec coiler. I think there are a total of 27 originally shipped in late 2004 to the States before formally being introduced to the market. I bought mine in 2005 specifically because it was significantly cheaper than a standard SE or HSE model with air suspension, and because at that time, the LR3's were having fairly major compressor problems that scared me.

Its good and bad. Very simply mechanically, and has proven quite reliable. I can fly down dirt tracks/roads at off road height at speeds far above the EAS limited 30mph. However, as Horum pointed out, I have substantially less articulation than the cross linked air bags. Fortunately, the superb traction control has effectively compensated for having a wheel or two (or three!) in the air, but if I ever have any money to invest in this truck again beyond stupid gas tanks, I want to customize the suspension to increase the articulation.

My coiler has been lifted to be +65mm taller than the stock Normal ride height, just lightly higher than your normal off road height (which is +50mm I think).

Height chart (coilers vs Air): http://www.nextstepdesigns.com/images/LR3/LR3_heights.pdf

Here is a typical air suspension equipped SE:
http://www.nextstepdesigns.com/images/LR3/cleghorn3/images/Cleghorn-3-_03.jpg

Here is a shot when my truck was a brand new bone stock low rider (stock coils):
http://www.nextstepdesigns.com/images/LR3/cleghorn2/images/Cleghorn_16.jpg

Here is a little bit more current photo:
http://nwoods.smugmug.com/photos/223585711_ch5pW-L.jpg

strutmastr
09-17-2009, 01:21 PM
I have 05 SE7 that's been having suspension issues/faults for quite a long time and the dealer can't seem to fix it. I'll have it back a day or so and the faults will start again. Can anyone recommend a place where I can get a conversion kit like what is available for the RR? My warranty expired in November (the dealer is covering it since it hasn't been fixed) but if I continue having these issues later, the dealer will cost me a fortune. thanks in advance!
Check out Strutmasters.com. We have a Range Rover Conversion Kit that allows you to end your air suspension problems forever. It includs everything you need to convert your Range Rover's air spring system to coil springs, and it comes with a Lifetime Warranty!
http://www.strutmasters.com/range-rover-suspension-s/99.htm

nwoods
09-17-2009, 04:05 PM
Check out Strutmasters.com. We have a Range Rover Conversion Kit that allows you to end your air suspension problems forever. It includs everything you need to convert your Range Rover's air spring system to coil springs, and it comes with a Lifetime Warranty!
http://www.strutmasters.com/range-rover-suspension-s/99.htm

Please answer the questions in Post 9 of this thread. Please don't post a product that is not applicable to the truck in question. If you have a LR3 specific product, terrific! But I suspect you don't.